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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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674 for the 5th of September 2021

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Richard Saunders coming to you from

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the continuing Saga of lockdown Sydney

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Australia

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and we remember that of course other

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places are in lockdown and

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unsurprisingly quite a bit of today's

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show is devoted to

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covert covert conspiracies Shenanigans

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and whatever going on with covert and

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right at the start let me

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make an observation here the numbers of

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people well I know for the Sydney

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statistics at least who are being

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hospitalized is growing every day

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because over the past four or five days

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four days we've had over a thousand new

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cases every day

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yesterday as I record this uh yesterday

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was Saturday yesterday we had over 1 500

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new cases now of course with the nature

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of covid-19 many of those people will be

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uh home quarantined

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and maybe very ill

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but they will recover at home and after

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14 days or so

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uh they will be deemed to be over it

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however of course there is a percentage

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of those people who cannot quarantine at

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home because they become very ill and

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they need hospitalization and a

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percentage of those people end up in

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intensive care on ventilators

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and of course every day now we're

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hearing about people dying either in

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hospital or at home now each day as

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those numbers increase

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the uh roll-on effect is of course the

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number of people

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needing intensive care or

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hospitalization increases every day

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only going to get worse

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so a big shout out a big shout out to

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the nurses and carers and doctors who

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work in hospitals because

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ambulance drivers or ambos as we call

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them here in Australia paramedics what a

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we must remember they are risking their

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lives they work with infected people

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and I guess this doesn't cross the mind

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of the freedom marches and the

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anti-vaxxers and so on and also remember

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that people who need to go to hospital

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for lots of other reasons heart attacks

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situations they're also feeling the

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pinch of this because they can't always

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get into the hospital now and also

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things like elective surgery

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non-critical surgery is being delayed so

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the roll-on effect is quite profound

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and all that brings us to our first

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report today a letter being sent to GPS

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this one happened to be sent to some GPS

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it's outrageous it's rambling it's

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borderline gibberish it's a mishmash of

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sovereign citizen arguments and

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craziness and religion

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but it's worth hearing

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so at the top of the show I will read

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out one of these bizarre conspiracy

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letters being sent here in Australia to

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General Practitioners following on from

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that and talking about Sovereign

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another report from our dear late

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reporter Shelly stockin and I think I'll

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be doing this every now and then in

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tribute to Shelley because she was such

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a report surely did some years ago about

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and it seems a movement that really

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is uh well it's certainly infected

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Australia so to speak following that we

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hear once again from the skeptical Fairy

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Godmother angel from the internet she is

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looking for a replacement find out more

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later on

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and around off the show it's back to the

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Trove archives and a bit of a change of

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pace we're going to be looking again at

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the Paranormal in the uh historical

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records of Australian newspapers

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paranormal and research and once again

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search criteria return all sorts of

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interesting results stay tuned at the

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end of the episode for more

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announcements from me including an

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upcoming talk I'm giving

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but now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and have a slice of leftover

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I'm one of these people who like things

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like spinach and Brussels sprouts go

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figure will I do that I hope you enjoy

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laughs

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pandemic has brought to light is the

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number of people in our society

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ready to jump on the bandwagon of any

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conspiracy that's going out there people

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who Listen to Crazy internet memes if

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you listen to a meme read a meme watch

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internet conspiracy videos

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and these are being fueled of course by

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largely by the conspiracy theorists and

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the anti-vaxxers where we're seeing this

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in action is on the streets a lot of the

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time where people still with the Delta

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at large in Sydney people are still

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ready spurred on by these conspiracy

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theories to march in the streets not

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wearing masks and put themselves and

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others in danger

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other ways this manifests itself is

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people feel compelled to send letters in

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this case

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to General Practitioners

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and here's one that's come my way this

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was a letter sent to a general

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practitioner in the state of Queensland

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and according to reports uh this letter

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has been widely circulated amongst other

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General Practitioners or sent to them I

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and this letter has also been referred

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now it's a form letter it's simply

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printed out probably downloaded from the

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internet it says at the top to the

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attention of doctor and then there's an

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underline so people can write in pen or

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pencil or crayon whatever doctor they

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want date in this case it is a blank

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slash blank slash 2021 so again they can

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simply fill in the date this one happens

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to be the 25th of last month

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we the people slash men and women of

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Australia order you to cease and desist

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the use of experimental vaccines as they

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constitute crimes against humanity under

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natural law common law treaty law

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article 6 and 7 of the United Nations

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Criminal Court statute the Nuremberg

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code the Geneva Convention the United

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Nations convention the United Nations

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Declaration on the rights of indigenous

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the United Nations Universal Declaration

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on human rights the Magna Carta and the

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constitution of Australia

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these crimes are being committed against

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innocent free-born men women and

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children of the Australian Federation

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all of whom stand under God's

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jurisdiction and protection if you have

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evidence that none of these rights exist

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you are hereby commanded to provide all

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and any such evidence within 72 hours of

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receipt of this cease and desist order

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we have seen no such evidence and

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believe no such evidence to exist the

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following actions constitute crimes

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against humanity in Gross contravention

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of every law and treaty ratified since

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and here is the list of what they

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consider to be the actions which

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constitute crimes one all

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experimentation of the covid-19

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civilians thus constituting bio Warfare

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LIE of a deadly pandemic thereby

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the people if not a bio Warfare

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spaces public spaces on Transportation

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assault on the people

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4 or lockdowns which constitute false

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psychological warfare against the people

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citizens which furthers bio and

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jurisdiction upon the people and any

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hostile act such as those listed here in

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open War from a hostile agent against

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the Free People of this land and the

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people maintain the right to protect

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seven all closures of Australian borders

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which constitutes a corrosive effort to

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force the unsuspecting people of the

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land into participating in a medical

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experiment as well as functioning as

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another arm of psychological warfare on

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the People by dividing families and

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keeping the entire country Hostage to

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the edicts of the World Health

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Organization a demonstrably corrupt

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institution and the officials of which

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the Australian Federation is to stand as

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a free country not a prison Island

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8. all state of emergencies which

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continue this covert War upon the people

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in the shape of tyranny

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Australian people which constitutes a

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gross invasion of privacy 10. all

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asymptomatic carriers and quote a

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non-scientific term designed with the

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only purpose of justifying the

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free-born men and women in this covert

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this letter serves as a lawful notice to

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cease and desist effective immediately

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we consider these actions to be a

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cowardly declaration of war upon the

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people you have been entrusted to

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have been paid to serve failure to cease

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synthesis will be considered an act of

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honestly I keep thinking this has just

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been mashed up from some American

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American document anyway

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we have not

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seen nor do we believe there exists

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sufficient evidence to support the

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assertion that a deadly pandemic exists

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and warrants a nationwide Perpetual

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state of emergency that suspends the

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lawful freedoms of the Australian people

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a detailed examination of case law

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federal law and constitutional law

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categorically outlines the actions of

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our federal government and the state and

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territory governments as criminal common

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law states that if you as a doctor

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remain silent failing to speak up about

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the unsafe nature of covert vaccines

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your position in law is that you Ascent

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to the administration of the vaccines

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now as such and being directed to cease

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and desist you should continue in

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silence or otherwise to administer said

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vaccines there can be no excuse on the

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law for your action no Indemnity can

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exist you will have committed a crime

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which in due course will be investigated

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and you may expect to be punished to the

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full extent of the law

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the requirements and demands of the

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Australian law are not here to be

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suspended in times of Crisis they may

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only be changed by the people and they

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have not been changed they are here to

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protect the people from the tyrannical

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and corruptable tendencies of

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governments and those in office it is

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during times of crisis when such laws

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are needed the most to protect the

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people we forth with declare that all

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named herein have overstepped and

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severely violated the boundaries of

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their office and failed to consider and

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protect the lawful interests of the

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Australian people in every conceivable

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way

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we take this opportunity to remind you

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of the following the one true almighty

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God stands as our one and only master

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all Freeborn men women and children Upon

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This land and indeed the world is a vice

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region of God placed upon this Earth by

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God's will alone government was

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established under the almighty God by

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Freeborn men and women and was entrusted

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to run our Affairs and act in our best

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interest the government serves the

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people under God thus all named herein

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are a fiduciary duty to the people of

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Australia and our public servants only

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directly answerable to we the Free

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People of this land

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by default and by association with this

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government in accordance with the rules

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of equity

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you have 72 hours from receipt of this

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letter to provide us with all and any

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proof to a country assertion should you

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fail to answer this order it is taken

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that your silence is an admission that

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no such evidence exists should you

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continue any of the actions enumerated

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herein and be found guilty of treason or

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of conspiracy to cause harm loss or

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injury to the people of the Australian

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Federation or of breaching your

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fiduciary duty as a medical doctor to

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the Australian people you will be

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stripped of your office and credentials

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tried before God and the jury of the

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people and punished according to the

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will of God and the people who stand as

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his vice Regent

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we direct you to govern yourself

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accordingly

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signed and in this case it's just a

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squiggle

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and underneath it says concerned citizen

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and right at the end we have a PO Box

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address PO Box 4320

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[Music]

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I wonder if some sort of

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artificial intelligence bot wrote that

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just grabbing word salad of

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Sovereign citizens and mashing them all

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together

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if not a couple of things are quite

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plain from this letter at least and I

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guess the base assertion is that covert

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is a hoax

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and I'm still surprised and I'm

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surprised that I'm surprised but I am

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still surprised that so many people in

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our society

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still considered covert to be a hoax but

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it's not real and this again is spurred

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on by various conspiracy mongers out

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there who tell their

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may I use the word sheeple I guess I

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should

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tell their flock their sheeple that

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covert is a hoax and this is all part of

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the giant one world conspiracy and

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you've heard it all before

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that is just one example of the crazy

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letters being circulated in our society

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and probably around the world

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foreign

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did you know that you can listen to the

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skeptic Zone on YouTube yes I know

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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with Michelle bigasma and funny sketches

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with Richard Saunders and a host of

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just click on the YouTube links on the

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foreign

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Stockton and today I'm going to talk

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[Music]

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yeah okay I'll get you to say full name

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um corporations have names I don't oh

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there's a name on your license so what's

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the one on that uh that's a corporate

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entity all right so how would you like

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me to refer to you

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um as a polite Community that's what I'm

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doing so that's why I've asked you

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nicely just for your name now it's under

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the road rule so I'm allowed to issue an

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Impressions

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that's why I'm allowed to you're driving

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a motor vehicle on that Highway and

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you're using your mobile phone which is

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an offense under the road rules if you

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do carry out this fraud

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um under maritime law 1912 Hall of

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passes will be visible under Jose's

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Corpus and you will owe me you will be

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in debt to three billion or three pots

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of gold that was taken from Channel 7's

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Highway Patrol program

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in which Police pull over a man for

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using his phone while driving and the

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man provides a very unusual response

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at least it's an unusual response if

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you're unfamiliar with the Freeman on

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the land movement how can I describe the

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Freeman on the land movement

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let me start by asking you a question

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have you ever wanted to be two people

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one version of you could be the sensible

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law-abiding one

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the one that works hard pays tax and

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takes responsibility for your actions

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the other version of you could be free

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to run naked around the countryside

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thumbing your nose at convention making

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your own laws and having a great time

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uninhibited by the constraints of

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organized Society

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it sounds like a fantasy but if you're a

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Freeman on the land it's real the

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Freeman on the land movement otherwise

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known as fotl or simply futile has been

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around for a decade or so and stems from

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similar pseudo-legal movements that aim

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to avoid paying tax or obeying the laws

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of a particular jurisdiction

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it's not the first movement of

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disaffected angry people to try and

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avoid the powers of the state but it is

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my favorite and it is arguably the most

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ridiculous

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that's my opinion let's take a look at

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what the fertile movement is what

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Freeman believe and how their beliefs

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have been applied in the

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English-speaking countries where the

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movement seeks to thrive

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my first futile fact the government is a

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corporation

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Freeman believed that because

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governments undertake Financial

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transactions and have credit ratings

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they are therefore corporations my

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second futile fact laws aren't laws

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without a contract

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so because the government is a

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corporation Freeman believed that it

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doesn't have the power or right to

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govern people or make laws unless it has

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a contract with each person in other

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words you have to agree to a law a tax

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or a fine in a contract before that law

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tax or fine applies to you

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so you're fine because you never made a

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contract with the government right

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wrong

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that brings us to my third fertile fact

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your birth certificate is a contract

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when a person's birth is registered that

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person is automatically bound to the

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government contractually also Freeman

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believe

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a birth certificate is a document of

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ownership signifying the named party's

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enslavement to the corporation

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it looks like a nicely laid out record

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of your entry into the world but it is

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in fact a contract that says you are now

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an employee of the government

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corporation and have agreed to abide by

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its laws

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but don't lose hope

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my fourth fertile fact you can get out

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of your contract

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Freeman proposed a method for breaking

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the shackles of your corporate

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enslavement in short you write a letter

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to important people and tell them to get

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stuffed the letter is known as a notice

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of understanding and claim of right

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its function is to declare your freedom

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and explain your own version of the law

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there are many examples of these letters

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online with variations tailored to the

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particular Freeman writing it usually

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the letters include a list of

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understandings for example it is my

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understanding that the Commonwealth of

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Australia is a common law jurisdiction

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where the people have sovereignty or it

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is my understanding that all law hangs

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on loving God and loving one's neighbor

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as oneself or it is my understanding

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corporations are legal fictions

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this so-called understandings can sound

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pretty convincing if you ignore the fact

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that they're highly subjective

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assumptions with only a tenuous link to

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Legal reality once the Freeman's

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understandings are laid out the letter

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goes on to claim a series of rights

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based on those understandings that the

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Freeman is entitled to

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some of the examples that I've found

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online include the right to drive

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anywhere you want in an unregistered

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vehicle without a driver's license the

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right to charge hourly fees for being

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questioned detained transported or

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incarcerated by police or other

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authorities

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and the right to copyright your own name

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and charge fees for unauthorized use

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once you've sent this letter to the

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Queen the Prime Minister and the police

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published it somewhere and carry it

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around with you you're officially free

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this brings us back to the little

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fantasy we had going earlier and to my

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fifth futile fact

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there are two versions of you

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congratulations you are two separate

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entities the first is your enslaved

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legal person who now exists only in

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writing the writing on your birth

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certificate on your electricity bill and

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your driver's license the second entity

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is the real you the actual Flesh and

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Blood person who eats and sleeps and

564
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listens to podcasts the one I like to

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call the meat person this is the one at

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00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,100
Liberty to roam Wild and Free across the

567
00:25:16,610 --> 00:25:13,320
wide expanse of Nature and probably

568
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:16,620
through a few red lights my sixth futile

569
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:20,400
fact is your name is not your name now

570
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,620
that you are two people it's important

571
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,480
to differentiate between your legal

572
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,299
person and your meat person your legal

573
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:28,799
person is usually expressed in the

574
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:31,500
traditional way Richard Saunders for

575
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,840
example this is the you that exists on

576
00:25:36,830 --> 00:25:35,520
official documents usually in capital

577
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:36,840
letters

578
00:25:41,149 --> 00:25:39,480
so for the purpose of a podcast Richard

579
00:25:43,070 --> 00:25:41,159
Saunders

580
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:43,080
Freeman distinguished their meat person

581
00:25:48,529 --> 00:25:45,779
from their legal person by expressing

582
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:48,539
their name as first name of the family

583
00:25:55,370 --> 00:25:52,559
last name for example Richard of the

584
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:55,380
family Saunders as opposed to Richard's

585
00:26:02,210 --> 00:25:59,520
honors my final futile fact is this

586
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:02,220
some laws are okay Freeman might be

587
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,440
misguided Fringe dwellers with legally

588
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,840
interesting delusions but they're not

589
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:08,820
completely devoid of Standards most

590
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:12,120
follow what they call common law which

591
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,500
basically states that you can do

592
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:15,120
anything you want as long as you don't

593
00:26:19,070 --> 00:26:17,940
cause harm or loss to anyone and you try

594
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,080
to be honest

595
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:22,080
so I guess driving blindfolded is okay

596
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:24,120
as long as you don't hit anything

597
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:26,220
so that's a very brief summary of what

598
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:28,260
Freeman on the land movement is all

599
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:29,279
about

600
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:31,620
I guess the only question left to answer

601
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:34,020
is does it work

602
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:36,120
well let's take a quick look at some

603
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:43,310
and we're done there are no successful

604
00:26:47,289 --> 00:26:45,539
Freeman on the land cases the whole

605
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:47,299
movement is based on outdated

606
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,140
pseudo-legal Concepts and good

607
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:51,299
old-fashioned wrongness

608
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,299
the best of Freeman can hope for is a

609
00:26:57,049 --> 00:26:56,159
judge throwing out their fallacy-filled

610
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,059
case

611
00:27:01,370 --> 00:26:58,799
out of frustration

612
00:27:03,169 --> 00:27:01,380
in reality many Freeman have turned a

613
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,179
minor offense into a jail sentence

614
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:05,279
simply by refusing to engage in the

615
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,799
legal process in my opinion the best

616
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:09,779
thing the foramen on the land movement

617
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,640
has going for it is its entertainment

618
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,480
value

619
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:14,159
if you can find the time to look up some

620
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:15,960
Freeman videos on YouTube I highly

621
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,520
recommend it

622
00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:19,919
you've been listening to Shelley of the

623
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:21,590
family stocking

624
00:27:25,620 --> 00:27:29,690
foreign

625
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:39,730
[Music]

626
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:42,720
godmother angel from the internet kept a

627
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,179
watchful eye on the world ready to

628
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:46,980
appear out of thin air in a puff of

629
00:27:51,950 --> 00:27:49,799
smoke to offer advice and save people

630
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:51,960
from committing logical fallacies and

631
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:54,360
buying well frankly substandard maple

632
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:55,500
syrup

633
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,500
but in 2021 she's decided to take some

634
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,720
time off to watch the Australian and New

635
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,720
Zealand Skeptics convention in November

636
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:06,000
hmm fancy her task now is to find a

637
00:28:15,169 --> 00:28:12,350
let us take you now to that magical

638
00:28:18,289 --> 00:28:15,179
realm of dreams that lies Beyond time

639
00:28:22,620 --> 00:28:18,299
and space the home office of the

640
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:28,730
[Music]

641
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:33,909
hello everyone hello

642
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:37,310
thank you all for applying for the job

643
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,159
one of you will replace me but I need to

644
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,460
be sure to pick the right candidate yes

645
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:47,279
sure sounds good okay sounds okay good

646
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:48,240
yes

647
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,149
all right then candidate number one

648
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,039
that's me it says here on your

649
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,380
application that you have studied

650
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:07,080
logical fallacies by listening to the

651
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,380
skeptic Zone podcast oh yes skeptical

652
00:29:15,889 --> 00:29:12,080
Fairy Godmother angel from the internet

653
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,899
I never miss a show in fact if I get the

654
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,480
job I will fly to the producer and tell

655
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:21,600
him about a new logical fallacy oh

656
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:24,840
really which one is that the logical

657
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:28,440
fallacy of the sticky situation the

658
00:29:33,289 --> 00:29:30,360
sticky situation

659
00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:33,299
does this have anything to do with maple

660
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,080
syrup yes how did you know just a wild

661
00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:40,559
guess okay then

662
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,559
um candidate number two

663
00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,140
what makes you think you are qualified

664
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,320
to fill in for me well skeptical Fairy

665
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,539
Godmother angel from the internet I'm

666
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:53,520
working on your Wikipedia page and I

667
00:30:00,049 --> 00:29:56,460
needed extra inside information and what

668
00:30:02,029 --> 00:30:00,059
better way than to borrow your wings but

669
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:02,039
you know you'd have to give them back

670
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,059
right hmm yes

671
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:08,460
right

672
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,480
um sorry what was that narrator saying

673
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:17,100
about the Australian and New Zealand

674
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:20,159
Skeptics convention oh I want to watch

675
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,520
it live so that's why I need a fill-in

676
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,860
really I thought I was applying to be

677
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:27,179
the tooth fairy

678
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:29,159
what's so special about this convention

679
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:29,760
anyway

680
00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:31,620
[Music]

681
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:41,810
wow hang on how did I get here

682
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:45,360
um magic Minot can you tell Kelly about

683
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,940
the convention okay then

684
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,039
this year on the 20th and 21st of

685
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:51,840
November the Australian to New Zealand

686
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:53,399
Skeptics are pulling together their

687
00:30:57,889 --> 00:30:55,980
resources and holding a combined annual

688
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,899
convention

689
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,000
you can join in to see a great lineup of

690
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:01,679
speakers from both countries and some

691
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,320
International guests too and they're not

692
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:06,960
going to let covid-19 spoil the party oh

693
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:09,659
no the show will go on via the Internet

694
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:12,299
regardless that's right you can watch it

695
00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:14,340
live from the four corners of the Flat

696
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:18,860
Earth Register your interest now at

697
00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:28,130
www.skepticon.org dot a u a u wow sounds

698
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:31,980
good can I go now in that case skeptical

699
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,620
Fairy Godmother angel from the internet

700
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:37,200
I might change my minds I think I'll

701
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,500
sign up for the convention yeah you know

702
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:42,539
I think I will too

703
00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:44,580
well don't look at me I don't want to

704
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:45,520
miss the convention

705
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:48,000
[Music]

706
00:31:56,389 --> 00:31:54,120
all right well thanks for coming then

707
00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:56,399
um Minot

708
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:59,159
are you interested in becoming a

709
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:01,980
skeptical Fairy Godmother angel from the

710
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,860
internet for a few days oh yeah baby you

711
00:32:08,930 --> 00:32:06,480
should see how much maple syrup I've got

712
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:08,940
at home I've dreamed of this day yeah

713
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,659
maple syrup hallelujah hallelujah maple

714
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:15,360
syrup will I get to meet Maple I love

715
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:17,100
Canada I can remember when they won the

716
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:31,789
[Music]

717
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:39,960
once again to visit those online

718
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:42,559
archives at Trove

719
00:32:48,830 --> 00:32:46,380
trove.nla.gov dot a u those digitized

720
00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:48,840
vaults of newspapers and magazines

721
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:51,590
clippings journals and so on

722
00:32:55,070 --> 00:32:53,460
[Music]

723
00:32:56,690 --> 00:32:55,080
and if you've been following this

724
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:56,700
segment for some time you know the

725
00:33:02,350 --> 00:32:59,340
general theme is looking up the

726
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:02,360
Paranormal the supernatural

727
00:33:08,509 --> 00:33:06,120
Associated topics in The Archives of

728
00:33:11,649 --> 00:33:08,519
Australian history

729
00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:11,659
as reported in various newspapers

730
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:15,659
and this week my search criteria was

731
00:33:21,710 --> 00:33:19,080
paranormal research and as it turns out

732
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:21,720
that returns quite a broad spectrum of

733
00:33:25,149 --> 00:33:22,740
results

734
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:25,159
but let's begin this time in the year

735
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:30,480
1953 on the 29th of July as reported in

736
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,980
The Courier mail from Brisbane

737
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:33,840
Queensland

738
00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:35,820
do you believe in ghosts

739
00:33:43,389 --> 00:33:40,150
Joyce Sterling is left wondering

740
00:33:48,669 --> 00:33:46,070
when one of your friends tells you a

741
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,679
ghost story you enjoy the temporary

742
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:51,360
prickling of the scalp that accompanies

743
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,480
it then forget all about it

744
00:34:00,769 --> 00:33:57,600
but when a distinguished doctor of

745
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,779
science writes a 400-page book crammed

746
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:03,179
with fascinating illustrations of

747
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:05,159
psychic phenomena

748
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:07,559
you don't forget about it on the

749
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,139
contrary you might possibly mull over it

750
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:11,879
indefinitely

751
00:34:18,349 --> 00:34:14,940
Dr Rayna C Johnson is a master of Queens

752
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:18,359
College University of Melbourne he has

753
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:21,419
called his book quote the imprisoned

754
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:25,260
Splendor end quote and the imprisoned

755
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:28,679
Splendor is that certain something

756
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,679
within us which some people call a soul

757
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:34,320
and whose adventurings past present and

758
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:37,859
future he has spent endless thought and

759
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:39,839
Research In following

760
00:34:44,990 --> 00:34:42,899
don't make any mistake this is not a

761
00:34:48,829 --> 00:34:45,000
collection of Sensational Supernatural

762
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,839
experiences it is a scientific and

763
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:51,359
objective probe by a brilliant and

764
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:54,060
sensitive mind into what is known as

765
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,320
quote paranormal phenomena end quote

766
00:35:04,030 --> 00:35:01,520
it takes in telepathy Clairvoyance

767
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:04,040
Poltergeist phenomena

768
00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:07,680
apparitions and the work of mediums

769
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,940
there is a chapter on reincarnation

770
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,500
which to many are questioning and

771
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,960
Confused mind will offer the greatest

772
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:18,180
possible comfort

773
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:21,380
and it sifts evidence for those strange

774
00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:25,320
exalterations of the spirit known as

775
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:27,740
quote mystical

776
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:31,020
experiences end quote with reassuring

777
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:32,700
thoughtfulness

778
00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:36,300
it is not an easy book

779
00:35:41,390 --> 00:35:39,660
in fact Dr Johnson himself says that if

780
00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:41,400
the reader finds one chapter too

781
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,520
difficult then he should move on to the

782
00:35:49,250 --> 00:35:46,800
next and come back later with a clearer

783
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:49,260
mind in one way this is a Pity because

784
00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:52,680
it might discourage the casual or lazy

785
00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:55,560
reader in another way it is exciting

786
00:36:01,370 --> 00:35:58,740
because it is obvious that this man

787
00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:01,380
wants you to arrive at your conclusions

788
00:36:08,770 --> 00:36:05,339
as he did along the path of close

789
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:08,780
scientific scrutiny

790
00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:10,500
apparitions

791
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,079
some of the data Dr Johnson has

792
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:15,780
collected in the course of his research

793
00:36:22,609 --> 00:36:19,619
makes astounding reading in one chapter

794
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:22,619
on apparitions the startling story he

795
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,800
tells of a certain Lord Broham a young

796
00:36:29,810 --> 00:36:28,320
Englishman traveling in Sweden is

797
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:29,820
typical

798
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:33,180
in his Salad Days Lord Broome took a vow

799
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:36,420
with a friend that whoever died first

800
00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:39,240
would come back and visit the other

801
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:41,640
so that they could settle any doubts

802
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:45,180
they might have with regard to a future

803
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,260
life

804
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:48,720
at the town of Gothenburg and Sweden

805
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:52,140
Lord Broome took a bath at a local hotel

806
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,800
an odd place one feels in which to have

807
00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:58,079
a psychical experience

808
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:01,380
in a letter to a friend Lord Broome

809
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:04,380
writes while lying in the warm bath

810
00:37:09,050 --> 00:37:07,380
enjoying the comfort of the heat I

811
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,060
turned my head around looking towards

812
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,280
the chair on which I had deposited my

813
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:13,920
clothes on the chair that the friend

814
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:17,220
with whom I had taken the vow looking at

815
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:21,119
me calmly how I got out of the bath I

816
00:37:28,010 --> 00:37:24,660
know not but on recovering my senses I

817
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:28,020
found myself sprawled on the floor The

818
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:31,380
Apparition had disappeared

819
00:37:36,170 --> 00:37:33,660
so strong was the impression made upon

820
00:37:38,290 --> 00:37:36,180
me that I wrote down the details of my

821
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:38,300
experience together with the date

822
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:40,859
December 19.

823
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:43,500
soon after my return to Edinburgh there

824
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,720
arrived a letter from India announcing

825
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:47,640
my friend's death

826
00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:52,880
he had died on December 19.

827
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,099
telepathy we all know what telepathy

828
00:38:01,130 --> 00:37:58,500
means that curious ability of the mind

829
00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:01,140
to pick up the thoughts of another mind

830
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:04,440
you walk into a lift with a tune in your

831
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,920
head someone immediately starts to

832
00:38:13,130 --> 00:38:09,920
whistle the same tune

833
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,140
coincidence you won't think so after you

834
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:15,599
have read Dr Johnson's chapter on

835
00:38:22,210 --> 00:38:18,420
telepathy nor can you doubt for one

836
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,220
moment the authenticity of many cases of

837
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,320
precognition he quotes that sudden

838
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,599
intuition that sends one hurrying to the

839
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:29,520
side of a dear one because they know

840
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,060
there is something the matter

841
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:35,820
by the time you are well immersed in

842
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:39,060
this book you will become convinced that

843
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:41,339
no paranormal experience is too

844
00:38:47,810 --> 00:38:44,880
fantastic to be believed especially as

845
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,820
your conviction is quickly supported by

846
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:50,640
the author himself with such mundane

847
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,000
things as geometrical diagrams together

848
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:57,780
with his own calm commentary you may or

849
00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:01,020
may not know of the division of the body

850
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,180
and soul known as

851
00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:06,119
projection a state in which the spirit

852
00:39:10,990 --> 00:39:09,420
leaves the body and quite literally goes

853
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:11,000
visiting

854
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,839
visitations

855
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:15,359
one is inclined to Envy the experiences

856
00:39:22,450 --> 00:39:19,680
of Miss Marguerite Bassett who during an

857
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:22,460
experiment under guidance of an expert

858
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:26,520
quote set forth on visitations to other

859
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:29,400
parts of the globe end quote

860
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:32,880
Miss Bessette says that quote projecting

861
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:36,540
herself into space and quote she was

862
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:40,140
quote deeply interested to find herself

863
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:42,800
in bright Sunshine over the

864
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:45,540
Mediterranean end quote

865
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:49,380
on another occasion she quote visited

866
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,740
main quote Tibet and had her detailed

867
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:55,680
memories of the place confirmed by

868
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,440
people who had really been there

869
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:01,680
Miss Bassett says she experienced a

870
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:05,280
sense of quote Great Adventure end quote

871
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,060
during these unorthodox tours who

872
00:40:16,190 --> 00:40:12,720
wouldn't with not even a vaccination

873
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,200
Mark to spoil them then I'll just pause

874
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:18,000
there to say that's ironic isn't it

875
00:40:23,809 --> 00:40:21,480
that's that's interesting even I if I

876
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,819
look at my arm now I have a vaccination

877
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:24,720
mark

878
00:40:29,809 --> 00:40:28,380
from my childhood and I don't think that

879
00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,819
spoils my arm

880
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,380
at all

881
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:34,560
but we read on in a more Macabre vein

882
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:38,040
there are experiences of people who at

883
00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:39,900
times of Crisis or physical accident

884
00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:43,640
have been aware of their spiritual self

885
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:46,260
dispassionately observing from above

886
00:40:53,210 --> 00:40:51,000
their broken and pain-ridden bodies

887
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:53,220
and so to the concluding chapter on

888
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:55,560
reincarnation in which Dr Johnson

889
00:41:01,690 --> 00:40:58,619
touches on such popular pointers to a

890
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:01,700
previous existence as the child prodigy

891
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:06,180
and that feeling of quote I have been

892
00:41:11,950 --> 00:41:09,780
here before and quote which most of us

893
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:11,960
know so well

894
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:14,540
endless way

895
00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:17,880
and where does all this lead we have

896
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:20,060
looked in this book had many questions

897
00:41:26,450 --> 00:41:23,400
says the writer and found perhaps

898
00:41:28,670 --> 00:41:26,460
satisfying answers to none but even to

899
00:41:31,370 --> 00:41:28,680
look fearlessly is to be strangely

900
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:31,380
comforted we live in a universe more

901
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,260
wonderful than all our dreams that at

902
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,240
least seems clear

903
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,359
to sum up we have enough trustworthy

904
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:41,579
evidence to anticipate our survival of

905
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:44,760
the change called death for myself birth

906
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:48,240
and death seem to be respectively the

907
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:52,079
great Exile and the great returning home

908
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:54,780
I expect when the immediate shock of the

909
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,180
change is over to find myself in a body

910
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,240
familiar to me because it has always

911
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,280
been a possession without my realizing

912
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:04,440
it in a country from which come

913
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:07,800
thronging back to me welcoming Echoes of

914
00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:10,619
my old familiarity

915
00:42:16,910 --> 00:42:12,980
it will still be a world of appearance

916
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:16,920
but since one Veil will then have fallen

917
00:42:23,329 --> 00:42:19,920
from the face of truth I shall expect to

918
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,339
find myself more responsive to her

919
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:26,400
Eternal Beauty as I set out again a

920
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:29,700
pilgrim on the endless way

921
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:32,880
oh and that is some book review and that

922
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,240
book was called again the imprisoned

923
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:38,579
splendor

924
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:41,040
let's look that up

925
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,060
and here we go and uh return brings us

926
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:48,480
to goodreads.com the imprisoned Splendor

927
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:51,599
by Reina C Johnson

928
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,660
and there's quite a lengthy overview of

929
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:56,400
the book

930
00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:00,079
in this book physicists Rayna Johnson

931
00:43:06,109 --> 00:43:02,700
explores Natural Science psychical

932
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:06,119
research and mystical experience the

933
00:43:10,370 --> 00:43:07,800
book is valuable for the serious and

934
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:10,380
Casual reader alike or anyone wishing to

935
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,660
explore the mystical world of paranormal

936
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:15,060
phenomena telepathy Clairvoyance

937
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:16,980
clairaudience telekinesis Poltergeist

938
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,839
phenomena Phantoms of the living and the

939
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:20,700
dead trans phenomena automatic writing

940
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:23,640
and the evidence for the etheric body

941
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,760
are all discussed Johnson the scientist

942
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,280
is clearly a Mystic at heart and makes

943
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:32,040
for fascinating reading no stone is left

944
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:34,920
unturned and Theological Dogma is cast

945
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:37,920
aside pre-existence is discussed in

946
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,819
depth

947
00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:41,280
there is more there and it concludes the

948
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,980
imprisoned Splendor is deeply impressive

949
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,380
and now considered a classic of

950
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:49,260
psychical research literature

951
00:43:56,089 --> 00:43:52,260
oh and it can be yours on Kindle for

952
00:43:59,569 --> 00:43:56,099
only 5.99 well over at Amazon there is a

953
00:44:02,329 --> 00:43:59,579
review somebody has given it uh five

954
00:44:04,970 --> 00:44:02,339
stars this was written in 2001

955
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,980
provokes more Wonder than the Discovery

956
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:05,760
Channel

957
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:09,780
and the review is in all caps so um

958
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:12,119
a great book to read for insight about

959
00:44:16,970 --> 00:44:15,060
reality in all sides of life when it

960
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:16,980
goes on waxing lyrical

961
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,560
and it goes on I recommend this book to

962
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:22,800
anyone who is a curious and open-minded

963
00:44:28,490 --> 00:44:25,560
individual I enjoyed the book immensely

964
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,500
yes I I think you did now the next

965
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:30,599
return we find comes from the Canberra

966
00:44:36,589 --> 00:44:34,880
times dated the 30th of November

967
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:36,599
1995

968
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:41,480
scientific study quote proves and quote

969
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:45,540
ESP works for some and I'll just say

970
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:47,579
we've mentioned before in the Trove

971
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:51,200
archives how out of date the term ESP

972
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,960
has become when I was younger in the 70s

973
00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:57,839
and the 80s the term was frequent was uh

974
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,400
ubiquitous

975
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:03,119
Washington Wednesday some people might

976
00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:06,420
have a paranormal ability to visualize

977
00:45:12,890 --> 00:45:08,520
hidden or distant objects without

978
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:12,900
actually seeing them a CIA commissioned

979
00:45:20,750 --> 00:45:17,819
study made public yesterday as reported

980
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:20,760
the study by the American Institute for

981
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:23,940
research a private Washington social

982
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:27,200
science research firm said quote

983
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,420
statistically significant and quote

984
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:32,760
results have been observed in laboratory

985
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:35,760
experiments to test extra sensory

986
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:39,540
perception which it called quote

987
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,819
remote viewing

988
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:42,900
quote

989
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:45,240
the Central Intelligence Agency

990
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:47,880
commissioned the study at the request of

991
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,819
the Senate Appropriations Committee Keen

992
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,859
to know whether more Government research

993
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:55,440
into parapsychology was warranted to

994
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:59,400
give U.S spy agencies an extra arrow in

995
00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:01,319
their quiver the findings were made

996
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:04,460
public after they were cited by ABC News

997
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,060
David Christian a CIA spokesman declined

998
00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:11,760
to discuss examples of CIA use of

999
00:46:19,089 --> 00:46:15,780
so-called psychic spying but said most

1000
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:19,099
of its research in the 1970s was quote

1001
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:22,020
experimental end quote the defense

1002
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,420
intelligence agency which coordinates

1003
00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:26,160
military intelligence

1004
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:28,140
had no comment

1005
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,380
not surprising as statistics Professor

1006
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:33,540
from the University of California Davis

1007
00:46:39,550 --> 00:46:36,960
Jessica OOTS who worked on the study and

1008
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,560
specializes in evaluating

1009
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,359
parasychological research said the data

1010
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:44,640
she viewed for the CIA study had

1011
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,920
produced the most credible evidence to

1012
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:49,440
date that humans were capable of

1013
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,339
paranormal psychic Feats at this stage

1014
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,140
using the standards applied to any other

1015
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:57,359
area of science the case for psychic

1016
00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:59,460
functioning has been scientifically

1017
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:02,520
proven she said

1018
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:07,319
and when was that again it was 1995.

1019
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,140
so in her opinion the case for psychic

1020
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,480
functioning was proven

1021
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:15,599
a very long time ago hmm

1022
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,720
I wonder how that worked out

1023
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,880
and finally we find ourselves in the

1024
00:47:25,309 --> 00:47:21,680
year

1025
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:25,319
1938 Monday the 18th of April from the

1026
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:30,359
Newcastle Sun friends of Spooks former

1027
00:47:37,630 --> 00:47:33,960
Club the ghost Club seemed last during

1028
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:37,640
November 1936 is to reappear in London

1029
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:40,140
in spite of its name the club will not

1030
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:43,619
meet at midnight but at the more prosaic

1031
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:45,119
hour of 8 pm

1032
00:47:52,609 --> 00:47:48,540
Mr Harry price the new chairman told a

1033
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,619
representative of the Observer why this

1034
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:55,380
once most guarded of London societies is

1035
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:58,500
to return under its old name and with a

1036
00:48:03,770 --> 00:48:01,079
new constitution to discuss psychic

1037
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:03,780
topics listen to personal experiences of

1038
00:48:11,210 --> 00:48:06,900
quote the alleged paranormal end quote

1039
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:11,220
and visit haunted houses the club was

1040
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,900
founded in 1862 he said to inquire into

1041
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,420
the doing of those celebrated charlatans

1042
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:20,520
the Davenport brothers and to

1043
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,000
investigate the table turning Mania in

1044
00:48:29,329 --> 00:48:26,400
the United States George Crookshank the

1045
00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:29,339
artist paroled the club's activities in

1046
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:31,800
a small Illustrated volume called a

1047
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,440
discovery concerning ghosts with a wrap

1048
00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:36,480
at rappers presently the club

1049
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,760
disappeared but persons with an interest

1050
00:48:44,210 --> 00:48:41,839
in the occult revived it at Cambridge in

1051
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:44,220
1881. during its early days it was

1052
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,339
supported by such men as Stanton Moses

1053
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:50,160
the medium Lawrence Oliphant the author

1054
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:53,220
Sir William Crooks Sir William Barrett

1055
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:55,980
t-shirt and Collins and others by

1056
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:58,680
November 1936 when the end came the

1057
00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:01,319
ghost Club had met on nearly 500

1058
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,380
occasions it had much ritual of its own

1059
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,680
the members known as ghosts were

1060
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:10,680
convinced spiritualists at meeting after

1061
00:49:14,930 --> 00:49:12,359
meeting the secretary would read the

1062
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:14,940
role naming all ghosts since the

1063
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:17,579
Inception of the club and to the names

1064
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:20,040
of the deceased members the president

1065
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,240
would reply passed on later the brothers

1066
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:27,300
Still incarnate as they were styled

1067
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,119
would answer to their own names no women

1068
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,300
were admitted to the club and no

1069
00:49:37,809 --> 00:49:35,339
proceedings were ever published the

1070
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:37,819
ghost kept secret archives

1071
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:39,960
men and women

1072
00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,599
the club in its last years had lost

1073
00:49:48,650 --> 00:49:45,359
touch with modern thought and its value

1074
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:48,660
had dwindled now it is to be revived

1075
00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,660
with both men and women admitted to

1076
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:53,940
membership this will be by invitation

1077
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,700
only those known to be interested in

1078
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,280
psychical research and Allied subjects

1079
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,040
will be eligible and we propose to limit

1080
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,380
the number to 100.

1081
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,619
briefly we intend to meet over a social

1082
00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:10,559
evening meal at intervals of six weeks

1083
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:14,280
and discuss psychic matters oddly enough

1084
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:16,500
we are starting at the Royal societies

1085
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:19,619
club with a discussion on quote extra

1086
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,339
sensory perception end quote a craze

1087
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,040
which is sweeping America much as table

1088
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:28,760
turning swept it in the days of the

1089
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:31,740
davenports when the ghost Club was

1090
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:33,250
founded

1091
00:50:42,589 --> 00:50:40,130
there we are some accounts of the term

1092
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:42,599
psychic research or paranormal research

1093
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:45,140
in the annals of

1094
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:49,200
archived Australian newspapers and I

1095
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:50,760
have to wonder about that ghost Club

1096
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:53,760
whether it was more a social opportunity

1097
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,109
but you too can find the ghostly things

1098
00:51:08,030 --> 00:51:04,920
and other things book reviews and what

1099
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:08,040
have you by searching the Treasure Trove

1100
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,000
at Trove

1101
00:51:16,809 --> 00:51:13,200
trove.nla.gov dot a u

1102
00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:16,819
type in your search criteria and like me

1103
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:35,589
foreign

1104
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,790
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1105
00:51:44,390 --> 00:51:39,900
Zone podcast now coming up

1106
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:44,400
on Thursday the 9th of September and

1107
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,700
that's West Coast USA time so

1108
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:50,579
San Francisco Los Angeles time

1109
00:51:54,349 --> 00:51:52,920
I will be giving a talk for the Bay Area

1110
00:51:58,250 --> 00:51:54,359
Skeptics

1111
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,260
and the talk is called Que Sera Sera is

1112
00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:00,059
the future ours to see The Great

1113
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:01,980
Australian psychic prediction project

1114
00:52:06,530 --> 00:52:04,200
and this will be an update on the

1115
00:52:08,329 --> 00:52:06,540
project and probably one of the last

1116
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:08,339
times I'll get to speak about it before

1117
00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:11,520
the official publication of the report

1118
00:52:16,130 --> 00:52:14,220
of the project now Thursday the 9th of

1119
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:16,140
September will

1120
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:21,480
be Friday here in Australia but the best

1121
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:25,280
thing to do would be to go to be a

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skeptics.org and you can see the details

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right there on the front page thank you

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as is the case for many other people let

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me say in the entertainment industry

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which broadly

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I guess I put myself in that category

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lots of workers dried up gone away as

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having a quarantine from covert

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work for entertainers is certainly being

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quarantined at the moment so all my

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other sources of income have stopped at

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the moment

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looking forward to better days when

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we're all fully vaxed and Society can

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get back to something resembling normal

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and I can perform again but at the

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moment that's not happening

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so you can imagine

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next week on the skeptic Zone the Trove

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segment is going to look at paranormal

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and Spoon

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yes spoon

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and you'll be surprised at some of the

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results it's not all about a certain

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spoon Bender no but for this week this

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is Richard Saunders signing off from

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